Liga Nacional (2015/2016)
domingo, 08 noviembre 2015@01:00
Jornada 17
Jornada 17
1er tiempo
8'
23'
26'
35'
38'
2do tiempo
49'
50'
53'
59'
67'
70'
82'
Árbitros del partido
Árbitro
Asistente 1
Asistente 2
Cuarto árbitro
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![D. Escober Donis Salatiel Escober Izaguirre](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/donis-salatiel-escober-izaguirre.png)
D. Escober
Guardameta
Guardameta
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
Fabio de Souza
Defensa
Defensa
![J. Palacios Johnny Eulogio Palacios Cacho](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/johnny-eulogio-palacios-cacho.png)
J. Palacios
Defensa
Defensa
![E. Alvarado Ever Gonzalo Alvarado Sandoval](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/ever-gonzalo-alvarado-sandoval.jpg)
E. Alvarado
Defensa
Defensa
![A. Peralta Arnold Fabian Peralta Sosa](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/arnold-fabian-peralta-sosa.png)
A. Peralta
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
O. Morazán
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
O. Salas
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![R. Quioto Romell Samir Quioto Robinson](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/romell-samir-quioto-robinson.jpg)
R. Quioto
Delantero
Delantero
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
B. Méndez
Delantero
Delantero
![A. Elis Alberth Josué Elis Martínez](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/alberth-josue-elis-martinez.jpg)
A. Elis
Delantero
Delantero
![M. Chirinos Michaell Anthony Chirinos Cortez](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/michaell-anthony-chirinos-cortez.jpg)
M. Chirinos
Delantero
Delantero
Entrenador:
H. Vargas
Suplentes
![N. Valladares Noel Eduardo Valladares Bonilla](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/noel-eduardo-valladares-bonilla.png)
N. Valladares
Guardameta
Guardameta
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
K. Álvarez
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
C. Mejía
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
N. Martínez
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
G. Mejia
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![R. Rojas Roger Fabricio Rojas Lazo](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/roger-fabricio-rojas-lazo.jpg)
R. Rojas
Delantero
Delantero
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Estupiñán
Delantero
Delantero
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Bodden
Guardameta
Guardameta
![D. Velásquez José David Velásquez Colón](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/jose-david-velasquez-colon.jpg)
D. Velásquez
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
W. Güity
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
E. Lalin
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
F. Flores
Defensa
Defensa
![D. García Devron Kyber García Ducker](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/devron-kyber-garcia-ducker.jpg)
D. García
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
E. Cabrera
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
V. Ortiz
Delantero
Delantero
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
R. Diamond
Delantero
Delantero
![D. Vuelto Darixon Eniel Vuelto Pérez](https://images.fastscore.com/players/50x50/darixon-eniel-vuelto-perez.jpg)
D. Vuelto
Delantero
Delantero
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
M. Mancias
Delantero
Delantero
Entrenador:
J. Pineda
Suplentes
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
P. Alvarez
Guardameta
Guardameta
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
B. Torres
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Williams
Defensa
Defensa
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
N. Sauceda
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
J. Padilla
Centrocampista
Centrocampista
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
C. Bernárdez
Delantero
Delantero
![Sin foto del jugador Sin foto del jugador](https://images.fastscore.com/players/empty-photo.png)
F. Tissera
Delantero
Delantero
82'
GOOOOOOL!!! Olimpia vuelve a anotar con M. Chirinos.
70'
GOOOOOOL!!! Uno más para Olimpia. R. Rojas marcó
67'
Hay una sustitución. N. Martínez (Olimpia) será de la partida, en sustitución de R. Quioto.
60'
Hay una sustitución. C. Mejía (Olimpia) será de la partida, en sustitución de B. Méndez.
60'
H. Vargas (Olimpia) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, R. Rojas ha reemplazado a A. Elis.
59'
J. Pineda (Victoria) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, C. Bernárdez ha sustituido a W. Güity.
53'
El árbitro A. Castro autoriza una sustitución y J. Padilla (Victoria) reemplazará a R. Diamond.
50'
D. García (Victoria) es amonestado por el árbitro A. Castro.
49'
GOOOOOOL!!! Olimpia está imparable hoy. R. Quioto anotó.
38'
A. Castro considera que M. Mancias (Victoria) merece una tarjeta amarilla.
35'
GOOOOOOL!!! A. Elis marca para Olimpia.
26'
J. Pineda (Victoria) ha decidido hacer una sustitución, N. Sauceda ha sustituido a F. Flores.
23'
GOOOOOOL!!! Olimpia marca con A. Elis.
8'
GOOOOOOL!!! A. Elis anotó para Olimpia.
Enfrentamientos
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
03.03.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
0
FIN
08.10.23
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
1
FIN
13.08.23
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
2
FIN
29.04.23
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
6
0
FIN
26.02.23
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
2
FIN
02.10.22
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
2
FIN
07.08.22
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
01.05.22
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
3
2
FIN
06.03.22
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
1
FIN
18.09.21
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
4
0
FIN
29.08.21
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
3
FIN
28.04.16
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
5
0
FIN
27.02.16
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
4
FIN
08.11.15
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
6
0
FIN
* Últimos 15 partidos (si están disponibles) entre ambos.
Enfrentamientos (con Olimpia como local)
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
08.10.23
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
1
FIN
29.04.23
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
6
0
FIN
07.08.22
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
06.03.22
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
1
FIN
18.09.21
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
4
0
FIN
28.04.16
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
5
0
FIN
08.11.15
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
6
0
FIN
08.03.15
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
1
FIN
13.10.14
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
3
0
FIN
27.04.14
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
0
FIN
16.02.14
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
1
FIN
08.09.13
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
1
FIN
03.02.13
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
1
FIN
16.12.12
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
4
0
FIN
* Últimos 15 partidos (si están disponibles) entre ambos con Olimpia como local.
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
General
Local
Visitante
Partidos jugados
58
29 (50.00%)
29 (50.00%)
Ganados
34
20 (58.82%)
14 (41.18%)
Empates
14
4 (28.57%)
10 (71.43%)
Perdidos
10
5 (50.00%)
5 (50.00%)
Goles a favor
114
70 (61.40%)
44 (38.60%)
Goles en contra
43
17 (39.53%)
26 (60.47%)
* Estadísticas de todos los partidos disputados entre ambos, bajo la perspectiva de Olimpia
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
General
Local
Visitante
Partidos jugados
58
29 (50.00%)
29 (50.00%)
Ganados
10
5 (50.00%)
5 (50.00%)
Empates
14
10 (71.43%)
4 (28.57%)
Perdidos
34
14 (41.18%)
20 (58.82%)
Goles a favor
43
26 (60.47%)
17 (39.53%)
Goles en contra
114
44 (38.60%)
70 (61.40%)
* Estadísticas de todos los partidos disputados entre ambos, bajo la perspectiva de Victoria
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
General
25.05.24
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
2
2
FIN
20.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
3
1
FIN
12.05.24
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
3
4
FIN
09.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
3
3
FIN
05.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
3
1
FIN
02.05.24
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
1
0
FIN
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
21.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
2
2
FIN
17.04.24
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
2
1
FIN
14.04.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
1
0
FIN
Local
20.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
3
1
FIN
09.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
3
3
FIN
05.05.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
3
1
FIN
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
21.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
2
2
FIN
08.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
3
1
FIN
31.03.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Vida Vida](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/vida.png)
5
1
FIN
10.03.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
4
0
FIN
01.03.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![UPNFM UPNFM](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/upnfm.png)
2
0
FIN
18.02.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
0
0
FIN
* Los últimos 10 partidos de Olimpia en general y como local.
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
General
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
26.04.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
1
0
FIN
20.04.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![UPNFM UPNFM](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/upnfm.png)
0
1
FIN
14.04.24
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
1
FIN
07.04.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Vida Vida](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/vida.png)
2
1
FIN
03.04.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
3
0
FIN
31.03.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
2
2
FIN
13.03.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
0
FIN
11.03.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Real Sociedad Real Sociedad](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-sociedad-4.png)
1
0
FIN
03.03.24
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
0
0
FIN
Visitante
28.04.24
![Olimpia Olimpia](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/olimpia-2.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
14.04.24
![Real España Real España](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-espana.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
1
FIN
03.04.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
3
0
FIN
13.03.24
![Sin logo Sin logo](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/empty-logo.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
0
0
FIN
29.02.24
![Marathón Marathón](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/marathon.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
0
FIN
24.02.24
![UPNFM UPNFM](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/upnfm.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
2
4
FIN
11.02.24
![Vida Vida](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/vida.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
0
FIN
31.01.24
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
3
0
FIN
21.01.24
![Real Sociedad Real Sociedad](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/real-sociedad-4.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
3
2
FIN
25.11.23
![Motagua Motagua](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/motagua.png)
![Victoria Victoria](https://images.fastscore.com/teams/25x25/cd-victoria.png)
1
3
FIN
* Los últimos 10 partidos de Victoria en general y como visitante.